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RE: New "enemy" of Hauptwerk??

And I see it's affirmatively promoted by MIDIWorks! From their latest email promotion:

"This is just a reminder that our great promotions on Black Friday are continuing through Cyber Monday! So don't miss this opportunity to start putting together your own personal VPO (Virtual Pipe Organ). Also, we are introducing an exciting new VPO software product - ORGANTEQ. See below. If you are hesitating because of the uncertainty as to when Hauptwerk V will be available, hesitate no more. Order your Pedalboard, Console, and Keyboards from CLASSIC MIDIWorks now and save $100's. Then download ORGANTEQ and start playing in minutes!"

Jack

RE: New "enemy" of Hauptwerk??

The organ sound files sounded rather good. Although it is very limited in only being one organ from what I see and rather a generic sound with limited stops. However, I'd take it over an older digital organ of any type!

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Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Rather than "enemy" I think it can compliment nicely and be another tool in the toolbox - I just snagged my copy.

From an audio perspective, the sampled instruments of Hauptwerk will always have a significant edge - in particular some of the beautiful multichannel/surround sets.

However, this is similar technology to what is used in some of the other console-based "digital computer organs" of the past: the pipework is completely digitally modelled and created in realtime.

For tinkering, it's great!

On a large set of speakers it works well.

As others have mentioned, the specification is adequate - but there is no tremulant in sight. Some stuff is non-intuitive (for example by default the "swell" expression pedal controls the whole organ, but you can on-the-fly decide which stops are to be enclosed)

Reverb is applied in realtime and sounds rather good.

I can see myself using this for practice purposes - simple registrations in a dry-medium space are perfect for learning notes! One can create a very unforgiving organ on which to practice and root out all the pitch inaccuracies :)

I do recommend downloading the free trial!

RE: New "enemy" of Hauptwerk??

As a component seller, they are naturally brand neutral. But to call OrganTeq an "exciting new VPO software product" I find a bit premature. I find the sound quite flawed and artificial sounding. Also, you cannot get a full screen and the "stops" are hard to read and are only abbreviated. Also, I have no idea yet how to assign my MIDI keyboards to the virtual ones.

Would they ever VPO an existing organ?

RE: New "enemy" of Hauptwerk??

Just tried the modart organ - not at all impressed. An .sf2 sound font in eplayOrgan sounds better without even trying.

They appear to have copied the ridiculous undefined sysex stop settings of GO. I suspect they have also copied a lot of the other GO software.

Stop labels appear to be fixed, incomprehensible and almost illegible.

However it can be driven from the output of another organ. Though at first sight it has no midi output and so cannot drive another organ.

I have not yet tried a keyboard but the latency on windows seems to be OK from the mouse.

More than one instance can be run - more than can be said for HW.

csw900

RE: New "enemy" of Hauptwerk??

Listening to the performance demos of both piano and organ leaves me impressed that digital creation of sounds can be so good. However I felt something was missing and it's difficult to put a label on the missing part other than the word 'realism'. Perhaps it's a combination of room acoustics, random tonal variation between pipes in the same rank, so many little interplays and variations of mechanical and audible qualities which can't be created digitally. The demos of 'Celeste mutations' and 'Voix humaine' seemed to demonstrate how difficult it is to digitally create pipe interaction.

The software is a great accomplishment and will probably improve as time passes. Personally I'm staying with Hauptwerk and sampled instruments.

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agree, no, it's not musically satisfactory and far inferior to best sample sets available for HW and inferior to Rodgers, Allen, Johannus as well.

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Interesting. I like the interface. It looks more modern and less complex than Hauptwerk. It would have been a competitor if it would have had sample sets. The recording samples are sounding like electronic organs, and from that point of view: no enemy of HW and no danger to HW. Nobody who has HW would even consider this.

But as I said: if they would be able to load sample sets, that would be a game changer, for them AND for HW (seeing the direction they took with version V). But it is not...

Frank

PS Another game changer would be a generator to create sample sets easily. That would be a software package when you can load all recorded sounds, and through a configuration wizard you can create the controls. Imagine that people can record their organ in church, and play the sound at home. You would get a lot of garbage out there, but also much more activity and engagement. Some people will create master sets as they can do the recording, but not the programming.

RE: New "enemy" of Hauptwerk??

Someone wrote me that the biggest enemy of Hauptwerk is Hauptwerk itself.

RE: New "enemy" of Hauptwerk??

There is an alternative to Hauptwerk at https://www.organassist.com/wp/
I haven't used it, but the site looks good and it appears to be a solution for those who want to use a proprietary midi which came with their console (Allen, Rodgers, etc). The price is right - FREE. If anyone has used this software, please share your experience with us.