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Organ of Basilica Saint Denis


Hello everyone!

I am looking for someone who could make composit sample set of Cavaille&Coll organ of
Saint Denis Basilica. I'd like to use Oloron-Sainte-Marie, Begard, Forcalquier and maybe Friesach. I could pay etc.

Thanks in advance
Karol

Disposition:

I Positif C–f3
Bourdon 16?
Montre 8?
Bourdon 8?
Flûte harmonique 8?
Prestant 4?
Flûte 4?
Nasard 2?2?3?
Doublette 2?
Octavin 2?
Tierce 1?3?5?
Fourniture IV 1?1?3?
Cymbale IV 2?3?
Trompette 8?
Cor-Hautbois 8?
Cromorne 8?
Clairon 4?

II Grand Orgue C–f3
Montre 32?
Montre 16?
Bourdon 16?
Montre 8?
Bourdon 8?
Flûte traversière (ab c1) 8?
Flûte cônique (ab c1) 8?
Viole 8?
Prestant 4?
Flûte octaviante 4?
Nasard 2?2?3
Doublette 2?
Grande Fourniture III 2?2?3?
Petite Fourniture III 1'
Grande Cymbale III 1?3?
Petite Cymbale III 1?2?
1ère Trompette 8?
2ème Trompette 8?
Cor anglais - Basson 8?
Clairon 4?

II. Bombarde C–f3
Bourdon 16?
Bourdon 8?
Flûte 8?
Flûte octaviante 4?
Nasard 2?2?3?
Doublette 2?
Cornet V (ab c1) 8'
Bombarde 16?
1ère Trompette 8?
2ème Trompette 8?
1er Clairon 4?
2ème Clairon 4?

III. Récit expressif C–f3
Bourdon 8?
Flûte harmonique 8?
Flûte octaviante 4?
Nasard 2?2?3?
Octavin 2?
Trompette 8?
Voix humaine 8?
Clairon 4?
Tremblant

Pédale C–f1
Flûte 32?
Flûte 16?
Flûte 8?
Violoncelle 8?
Flûte 4?
Quinte 5?1?3?
Grande Tierce 3?1?5?
Contrebombarde 32?
Bombarde 16?
Trompette 8?
Basson 8?
Clairon 4?
by Karol
Jul 1, 2020 04:09 PM

Replies (10)

RE: Organ of Basilica Saint Denis

Karol wrote:

Hello everyone!

I am looking for someone who could make composit sample set of Cavaille&Coll organ of
Saint Denis Basilica. I'd like to use Oloron-Sainte-Marie, Begard, Forcalquier and maybe Friesach. I could pay etc.

Thanks in advance
Karol

Disposition:

I Positif C–f3
Bourdon 16?
Montre 8?
Bourdon 8?
Flûte harmonique 8?
Prestant 4?
Flûte 4?
Nasard 2?2?3?
Doublette 2?
Octavin 2?
Tierce 1?3?5?
Fourniture IV 1?1?3?
Cymbale IV 2?3?
Trompette 8?
Cor-Hautbois 8?
Cromorne 8?
Clairon 4?

II Grand Orgue C–f3
Montre 32?
Montre 16?
Bourdon 16?
Montre 8?
Bourdon 8?
Flûte traversière (ab c1) 8?
Flûte cônique (ab c1) 8?
Viole 8?
Prestant 4?
Flûte octaviante 4?
Nasard 2?2?3
Doublette 2?
Grande Fourniture III 2?2?3?
Petite Fourniture III 1'
Grande Cymbale III 1?3?
Petite Cymbale III 1?2?
1ère Trompette 8?
2ème Trompette 8?
Cor anglais - Basson 8?
Clairon 4?

II. Bombarde C–f3
Bourdon 16?
Bourdon 8?
Flûte 8?
Flûte octaviante 4?
Nasard 2?2?3?
Doublette 2?
Cornet V (ab c1) 8'
Bombarde 16?
1ère Trompette 8?
2ème Trompette 8?
1er Clairon 4?
2ème Clairon 4?

III. Récit expressif C–f3
Bourdon 8?
Flûte harmonique 8?
Flûte octaviante 4?
Nasard 2?2?3?
Octavin 2?
Trompette 8?
Voix humaine 8?
Clairon 4?
Tremblant

Pédale C–f1
Flûte 32?
Flûte 16?
Flûte 8?
Violoncelle 8?
Flûte 4?
Quinte 5?1?3?
Grande Tierce 3?1?5?
Contrebombarde 32?
Bombarde 16?
Trompette 8?
Basson 8?
Clairon 4?

This is a really cool idea, bumping this thread so more people will see

by RRKdudas
Jul 1, 2020 07:56 PM

RE: Organ of Basilica Saint Denis

We have had this before.
You can combine all the sample sets you want - it won't be Saint Denis Basilica.
by Erzahler
Jul 3, 2020 05:07 AM

RE: Organ of Basilica Saint Denis

Erzahler wrote:

We have had this before.
You can combine all the sample sets you want - it won't be Saint Denis Basilica.

I know it won't be Saint Denis Basilica but just want to have organ with this stop list. I spoke already with Quentin Guerillot (organist of Saint Denis Basilica) and he told me that CMN can't allow for recording this organ. Piotr Grabowski and I wanted to record this organ but we can't. :(

by Karol
Jul 3, 2020 05:12 AM

RE: Organ of Basilica Saint Denis

Karol wrote:

I know it won't be Saint Denis Basilica but just want to have organ with this stop list. I spoke already with Quentin Guerillot (organist of Saint Denis Basilica) and he told me that CMN can't allow for recording this organ. Piotr Grabowski and I wanted to record this organ but we can't. :(

You can create that organ using pipes from different organs but you wouldn't be able to sell it if they are commercial sounds or depending upon the commons commercial licence. Some forbid you from doing this. Now Garritan is a mixed bag of pipes which means you can produce any disposition you want.

The problem we have had here is the question normally starts how do you make a disposition like this. Then it goes about reverse engineering etc...... One such case got rrally out of hand. You So you might wonder why people are tetchy with this subject.

I think the answer is do it yourself if you want a composite for personal use. You mention Piotr Grabowski in your post. Surely yourself and Piotr with all the organ samples available could make an organ a la Basilica St Denis composite? Personally i am surprised that the great Piotr Grabowski would be asking such a question! I know of the organs on his website the free and for purchase ones so why cant one be made from that large sound bank?

by dreece1
Jul 5, 2020 06:18 PM

RE: Organ of Basilica Saint Denis

dreece1 wrote:

You can create that organ using pipes from different organs but you wouldn't be able to sell it if they are commercial sounds or depending upon the commons commercial licence. Some forbid you from doing this. Now Garritan is a mixed bag of pipes which means you can produce any disposition you want.

The problem we have had here is the question normally starts how do you make a disposition like this. Then it goes about reverse engineering etc...... One such case got rrally out of hand. You So you might wonder why people are tetchy with this subject.

I think the answer is do it yourself if you want a composite for personal use. You mention Piotr Grabowski in your post. Surely yourself and Piotr with all the organ samples available could make an organ a la Basilica St Denis composite? Personally i am surprised that the great Piotr Grabowski would be asking such a question! I know of the organs on his website the free and for purchase ones so why cant one be made from that large sound bank?

You see...Piotr is very busy right now because he is working on two sample sets and have planned time for another which are listed on his website. I talket to him already about making composite but we came an idea of recording organ of Saint Denis Basilica. The only problem is with CMN because I had to write to them an email in which I was asking for permission for recording, already spoke to Quentin Guerliot (organist in Saint Denis) and for the time being we don't have permission but the time will show.

You mentioned "Garritan" which is a bag of pipes and that is the problem. I don't want an organ only with such disposition I want an organ which is similar to original which means Cavaille&Coll pipework. We shall see what's going to happen but I hope to record an orginal organ.

by Karol
Jul 5, 2020 07:05 PM

RE: Organ of Basilica Saint Denis

Karol wrote:

You see...Piotr is very busy right now because he is working on two sample sets and have planned time for another which are listed on his website. I talket to him already about making composite but we came an idea of recording organ of Saint Denis Basilica. The only problem is with CMN because I had to write to them an email in which I was asking for permission for recording, already spoke to Quentin Guerliot (organist in Saint Denis) and for the time being we don't have permission but the time will show.

You mentioned "Garritan" which is a bag of pipes and that is the problem. I don't want an organ only with such disposition I want an organ which is similar to original which means Cavaille&Coll pipework. We shall see what's going to happen but I hope to record an orginal organ.

OK got you. This wasnt clear in your original posting. I have some of the Piotr Grabowski sets so was confused as to why we had gotten to this Juncture.

However a quick look at Piotrs website and you have the Begard a Caviall Coll and the Oloron Saint Marie.sets. Can something be cobbled together from those sets to create the spirit of Basilica Saint Denis.

Not sure what CMN stands for. Uninitiated here.

But wasnt this organ vandalised last year before the infamous Notre Dame Cathedral fire that destroyed much of the building? Is that why they are saying no to recording the pipes?

I suspect when creating a spirit of organ you need the room ambiance to create the same acoustics as the original?

I agree that Garritan i a bag of pipes.

Bump on how you get around this. Hope you find an answer. Sorry i could be of no assistance. But i hope that is is a free version not paid for sample set when it comes to fruition.

by dreece1
Jul 6, 2020 09:12 AM

RE: Organ of Basilica Saint Denis

dreece1 wrote:

OK got you. This wasnt clear in your original posting. I have some of the Piotr Grabowski sets so was confused as to why we had gotten to this Juncture.

However a quick look at Piotrs website and you have the Begard a Caviall Coll and the Oloron Saint Marie.sets. Can something be cobbled together from those sets to create the spirit of Basilica Saint Denis.

Not sure what CMN stands for. Uninitiated here.

But wasnt this organ vandalised last year before the infamous Notre Dame Cathedral fire that destroyed much of the building? Is that why they are saying no to recording the pipes?

I suspect when creating a spirit of organ you need the room ambiance to create the same acoustics as the original?

I agree that Garritan i a bag of pipes.

Bump on how you get around this. Hope you find an answer. Sorry i could be of no assistance. But i hope that is is a free version not paid for sample set when it comes to fruition.

CMN stands for https://www.monuments-nationaux.fr/en

by Karol
Jul 6, 2020 04:06 PM

RE: Organ of Basilica Saint Denis

Hi Karol ok Centre des Monuments Nationeaux. Makes more sense now. Did yo7 see my comment about the caviall coll instruments that Piotr has already released? TIA.
by dreece1
Jul 8, 2020 05:09 AM

RE: Organ of Basilica Saint Denis

dreece1 wrote:

Hi Karol ok Centre des Monuments Nationeaux. Makes more sense now. Did yo7 see my comment about the caviall coll instruments that Piotr has already released? TIA.

Hi dreece1, yes I've seen your comment and I have Oloron-Sainte-Marie sample set and I am planing to buy Begard also and combining those two smple sets together would give us some part of Basilica Saint Denis organ spirit and stop list. Forcalquier is to finish the rest of the stop list and give this classic french organ sound to Saint Denis.

by Karol
Jul 8, 2020 06:27 AM

RE: Organ of Basilica Saint Denis

Karol wrote:

Hi dreece1, yes I've seen your comment and I have Oloron-Sainte-Marie sample set and I am planing to buy Begard also and combining those two smple sets together would give us some part of Basilica Saint Denis organ spirit and stop list. Forcalquier is to finish the rest of the stop list and give this classic french organ sound to Saint Denis.

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by dreece1
Jul 10, 2020 06:38 AM

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