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Troubles with registrations. Please help!


Is there anyone here who can either explain to me or maybe even share helpful tutorial videos on how to set custom registrations whether they can be applied on any Organ Sample Set, or would there be more specific steps to take for different sample sets?

For instance, I obviously have the included St. Anne's Moseley Sample Set, though I also decided to purchase and install the Casavant, (Bellevie, Washington) Sample Set by Sonus Paradisi.

Learning how to use Hauptwerk to the fullest was harder than I expected, so any help will be appreciated.

Thank you for taking the time to read this topic.

P.S. Also, I do happen to have a physical copy of the "All about Hauptwerk" book by Kenneth A. Spencer, yet I can't seem to wrap my head around the instructions in the book, hence why I was asking for tutorial videos on how to set registrations as I want to see how it works in practice.
by JonnyMusic
Oct 28, 2020 11:51 PM

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RE: Troubles with registrations. Please help!

Hauptwerk assume that you are already a competent organist and thus already know how to use the organs stops to best advantage.

I suggest you look an the Allen Organ website and download a few of their user manuals - they do give information on how to play the organ and references to other useful instructive books.

csw900
by csw900
Oct 29, 2020 04:59 AM

RE: Troubles with registrations. Please help!

If I understand you right, you want to set up a registration on a reference sample set (e. g. Saint Anne's) and wrap it over all your samplesets, right?

I must disappoint you, but that's not possible. HW stores the registrations in XML-files and these are unique for each sampleset. Only the specific registration is usable for each organ.
by tf11972
Oct 29, 2020 07:57 AM

RE: Troubles with registrations. Please help!

csw900 wrote:

Hauptwerk assume that you are already a competent organist and thus already know how to use the organs stops to best advantage.

I suggest you look an the Allen Organ website and download a few of their user manuals - they do give information on how to play the organ and references to other useful instructive books.

csw900

I've been playing the organ for over 10 years now. I'm more than competent, though I acknowledge that I have more to learn, as I haven't done enough programming of registrations on other real-life organ consoles for reasons I won't mention here.

There is already such thing as the Installation and User Guide which does explain itself on how to do this and that well, though I'm still trying to wrap my head around how particular parts of programming registrations work.

I've successfully registered one registration on the Casavant sample set I own, though I was still confused with how it works and how to keep track of many different registrations I may want to setup.

Are you certain you don't know of any video tutorials (or video versions of the User Guide) on how to set registrations for each organ sample set?

by JonnyMusic
Oct 29, 2020 10:17 AM

RE: Troubles with registrations. Please help!

tf11972 wrote:

If I understand you right, you want to set up a registration on a reference sample set (e. g. Saint Anne's) and wrap it over all your samplesets, right?

I must disappoint you, but that's not possible. HW stores the registrations in XML-files and these are unique for each sampleset. Only the specific registration is usable for each organ.

No, that is not correct. I've found out myself that each and every sample set can have each of its own registrations, just like every single organ around the world uniquely has their own registrations.

As I recently told csw900,

There is already such thing as the Installation and User Guide which does explain itself on how to do this and that well, though I'm still trying to wrap my head around how particular parts of programming registrations work within Hauptwerk.

I've successfully registered one registration on the Casavant sample set I own, though I was still confused with how it works and how to keep track of many different registrations I may want to set up for each of the different sample sets I have installed.

Are you certain you don't know of any video tutorials (or video versions of the User Guide) on how to set registrations for each organ sample set?

Because you could say that I may have been "spoiled" by the organists of my church's music department who have already made registrations on our church's organ, thus, my lack of experience with setting the registrations I want to use immediately and for the future and how to access them without losing track of which registration is which.

by JonnyMusic
Oct 29, 2020 10:24 AM

RE: Troubles with registrations. Please help!

tf11972 wrote:

If I understand you right, you want to set up a registration on a reference sample set (e. g. Saint Anne's) and wrap it over all your samplesets, right?

I must disappoint you, but that's not possible. HW stores the registrations in XML-files and these are unique for each sampleset. Only the specific registration is usable for each organ.

And it is clear that this is not feasible, because a lot of stops are not generic. Cavaille-Coll organs have no "Mxture" but "Plein Jeu" as alternative. Some organs ha 20 stops, some have over 80 stops.

by FredM
Oct 29, 2020 10:49 AM

RE: Troubles with registrations. Please help!

What do you mean by "set custom registrations"?

Is this a musical question - how to decide which organ stops to pull to get the effect you're after?

or

Is this a technical question - how to manipulate the buttons to get a console/HW to give you the piston settings you're after?

or

Is it something else?
by srw647
Oct 29, 2020 01:04 PM

RE: Troubles with registrations. Please help!

FredM wrote:

And it is clear that this is not feasible, because a lot of stops are not generic. Cavaille-Coll organs have no "Mxture" but "Plein Jeu" as alternative. Some organs ha 20 stops, some have over 80 stops.

Of course it isn't. I already made myself clear regarding the fact that every single Organ sample set allows you to set your own registrations as if you owned the physical console. ????

by JonnyMusic
Oct 29, 2020 01:47 PM

RE: Troubles with registrations. Please help!

srw647 wrote:

What do you mean by "set custom registrations"?

Is this a musical question - how to decide which organ stops to pull to get the effect you're after?

or

Is this a technical question - how to manipulate the buttons to get a console/HW to give you the piston settings you're after?

or

Is it something else?

So you're telling me you have never set your own registrations on any of the Hauptwerk Organ Sample sets you own?

In case I didn't make myself clear enough, I want to understand in detail how to set/program our own personal registrations regardless which Organ sample set we may use.

Because the Hauptwerk Installation and User Guide isn't really that helpful in explaining it.

It sure would be immensely helpful if someone out there would make YouTube tutorials on how to use Hauptwerk, as the User Guide can only explain so much, especially for those who learn better by watching/observing and doing rather than just reading.

by JonnyMusic
Oct 29, 2020 01:53 PM

RE: Troubles with registrations. Please help!

JonnyMusic wrote:

So you're telling me you have never set your own registrations on any of the Hauptwerk Organ Sample sets you own?

In case I didn't make myself clear enough, I want to understand in detail how to set/program our own personal registrations regardless which Organ sample set we may use.

Because the Hauptwerk Installation and User Guide isn't really that helpful in explaining it.

It sure would be immensely helpful if someone out there would make YouTube tutorials on how to use Hauptwerk, as the User Guide can only explain so much, especially for those who learn better by watching/observing and doing rather than just reading.

I don't understand your question. It's as simple as that.

What do you mean by "set personal registration"? Do you mean you want to decide on a registration for a particular piece of music or do you mean you want to programme some pistons or the stepper?

by srw647
Oct 29, 2020 02:17 PM

RE: Troubles with registrations. Please help!

JonnyMusic wrote:

So you're telling me you have never set your own registrations on any of the Hauptwerk Organ Sample sets you own?

In case I didn't make myself clear enough, I want to understand in detail how to set/program our own personal registrations regardless which Organ sample set we may use.

Because the Hauptwerk Installation and User Guide isn't really that helpful in explaining it.

It sure would be immensely helpful if someone out there would make YouTube tutorials on how to use Hauptwerk, as the User Guide can only explain so much, especially for those who learn better by watching/observing and doing rather than just reading.

"I want to understand in detail how to set/program our own personal registrations regardless which Organ sample set we may use."

It has to be done independently for each Sample Set. You will need a way to characterize or classify each of your registrations, and save them to some place so you can find them again. Hauptwerk V offers 20 "General Combinations" for this purpose, and they work whether or not you assign them to physical pistons. (For programming, it wouldn't matter... only for live play.) Also there are 60 "Scoped Combinations" which work similarly. By default, the "Scope" is "Everything" so they could work the same as General Combinations. So this gives you the chance to save up to 80 personalized Registrations for any given sample set... not counting the "Stepper" which gives you another thousand at a time (for as many batches as you ever need, but only one thousand can be accessed at once). These are best used in sequence for a given piece of Music, where each Step would hold one of your already defined personalized Registrations.

One way to organize your Registrations is by Sound Family... eg simple flutes, rich flutes, full flutes, simple Principals, rich Principals, full Principals, simple Strings, full Strings... and maybe each of these with Soft Reeds added, or Full Reeds added, or Magnificent Reeds added... and so forth, as you perceive the Registration possibilities for a given Sample Set.

Another way to organize your Registrations is by Volume or Intensity... from very soft through soft and medium to loud and very loud and finally Full Organ.

Fortunately, both the St Anne's Moseley and the Bellevue Casavant come equipped with Crescendo Pedals. With this, you could start each Organ with either General Cancel (everything off) or some particularly soft and gentle Registration which you may prefer, and then simply by moving this Pedal up and down get a rich and wonderful variety of pre-defined Registrations, already in their proper order by Volume or Intensity. Then in your programming, just learn how to control this one Pedal, and all of your Registrations will fall into place naturally.

Worth a consideration, anyway. Further discussion available by private message if you should wish.

Good Luck! And enjoy the Music!!!

by OrganoPleno
Oct 29, 2020 03:07 PM

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